Sitting at soc sec office for disability claim. I’m disabled from a life shortening disease and was a surgeon so my amount is ok because I paid in a lot. For many it’s a fixed low price that still requires them to have SNAP AND HOUSING benefits.
This is an icky place. I feel it when I walk in.
As a small business owner than you for the heads up so I can pay less! 😝
You are cordially invited to attend my Writing Clinic After Dark this Thursday at 8 pm
I agree, no one should be paid less than a living wage. If the government wants to encourage businesses hiring disabled/veterans, they should implement a tax break per disabled employee, but they should also enforce equal pay or lose the tax break and incur penalties.
You are mistaken on several points. First of all WOTC rules are not the same as wage regulations for the disabled. WOTC is an incentive for employers to hire certain people (as you listed) who might otherwise have difficulty finding work. They must be paid minimum wage OR the same wage as any other employee for the same job.
As far as young people and students, that is called internship, which many college degree programs require for completion. It is a contract between the employer and the educational facility. The employer must agree to providing certain skills training, give periodic and final review of the performance. In return, the student is getting on the job training and the credit needed for graduation.
As for hiring the diabled, it isn't exactly what you and others make it sound like. First of all, only people receiving Social Security Disability income are eligible for this FEDERAL program, it does not apply to people receiving state aid like SNAP. The program allows employers to hire the disabled at a lower pay scale in order to incentivize hiring the disabled. This is partially because when you receive SSD income, if your earn above a certain dollar amount, your SSD will be discontinued. Before anybody gets up in arms about that, look at both sides. If you are physically and mentally able to work for full pay, then you probably shouldn't be receiving SSD from the goovernment. Take a moment to think about all the times you've heard about people receiving a "disability check" who don't really need it, and how everybody gets up in arms about that. (btw - majority of the time that is not true - some disabilities are invisible, but still hinder a person's work capacity).
So, this program provides a way for the disabled to work, without losing their SSD income. Why? Because some disabled persons want to feel productive and useful.
Now, let's talk about what it "costs" the employer. Often times, a disabled worker needs a "job coach" a fully abled person who guides them through their duties of the day. That means, the employer isn't an evil exploiter - they are actually paying a fully abled person (who could do the job alone) to help a disabled person do the job.
There are other factors that add additional costs to the employers as well, such as providing ergonomic equipment (more relevant to workers you don't always see public facing). For example, I live where a disabled work training program places disabled persons in a large green house -- this means handicap access throughout the facility, ergonomic tools, etc.
Finally, nobody is forcing these people to work. They get income and medical insurance through SSD. To be clear, there are disable people who do not qualify for Social Security Disability income. They also do not qualify for the lower wage program, meaning they have to receive minimum wage or the same wage other workers are receiving in the same job.
My father was a district director for 5 job placement offices in the state, and I have more than a few disabled family and friends who value this program, love their job and aren't complaining. It's time to stop this false story that the government and employers are exploiting the disabled. Please don't add to the misconceptions.
A little aggressive for one person’s take and experience. I think @Original Worlds (Ira Robinson) knows more about this than I ever will, and I’m a special education teacher.
This is horrifying.
It really is so insane. Someone did try to rebut it, but the info I gave in the article here was pulled directly from their own website so…
/shrug
I dunno… I just know what I’ve seen first-hand, and what my family’s gone through here (including with 2 of my kiddos).
Crazy.
Capitalism naturally encourages people to be absolute monsters. It's a feature not a bug. Fuck the system.
Makes my blood boil...
Sitting at soc sec office for disability claim. I’m disabled from a life shortening disease and was a surgeon so my amount is ok because I paid in a lot. For many it’s a fixed low price that still requires them to have SNAP AND HOUSING benefits.
This is an icky place. I feel it when I walk in.
As a small business owner than you for the heads up so I can pay less! 😝
You are cordially invited to attend my Writing Clinic After Dark this Thursday at 8 pm
Much of my work is regarding these systems.
Just when I think I heard the worst, something new surprises me - there is such evil and greed in this world.
I agree, no one should be paid less than a living wage. If the government wants to encourage businesses hiring disabled/veterans, they should implement a tax break per disabled employee, but they should also enforce equal pay or lose the tax break and incur penalties.
You are mistaken on several points. First of all WOTC rules are not the same as wage regulations for the disabled. WOTC is an incentive for employers to hire certain people (as you listed) who might otherwise have difficulty finding work. They must be paid minimum wage OR the same wage as any other employee for the same job.
As far as young people and students, that is called internship, which many college degree programs require for completion. It is a contract between the employer and the educational facility. The employer must agree to providing certain skills training, give periodic and final review of the performance. In return, the student is getting on the job training and the credit needed for graduation.
As for hiring the diabled, it isn't exactly what you and others make it sound like. First of all, only people receiving Social Security Disability income are eligible for this FEDERAL program, it does not apply to people receiving state aid like SNAP. The program allows employers to hire the disabled at a lower pay scale in order to incentivize hiring the disabled. This is partially because when you receive SSD income, if your earn above a certain dollar amount, your SSD will be discontinued. Before anybody gets up in arms about that, look at both sides. If you are physically and mentally able to work for full pay, then you probably shouldn't be receiving SSD from the goovernment. Take a moment to think about all the times you've heard about people receiving a "disability check" who don't really need it, and how everybody gets up in arms about that. (btw - majority of the time that is not true - some disabilities are invisible, but still hinder a person's work capacity).
So, this program provides a way for the disabled to work, without losing their SSD income. Why? Because some disabled persons want to feel productive and useful.
Now, let's talk about what it "costs" the employer. Often times, a disabled worker needs a "job coach" a fully abled person who guides them through their duties of the day. That means, the employer isn't an evil exploiter - they are actually paying a fully abled person (who could do the job alone) to help a disabled person do the job.
There are other factors that add additional costs to the employers as well, such as providing ergonomic equipment (more relevant to workers you don't always see public facing). For example, I live where a disabled work training program places disabled persons in a large green house -- this means handicap access throughout the facility, ergonomic tools, etc.
Finally, nobody is forcing these people to work. They get income and medical insurance through SSD. To be clear, there are disable people who do not qualify for Social Security Disability income. They also do not qualify for the lower wage program, meaning they have to receive minimum wage or the same wage other workers are receiving in the same job.
My father was a district director for 5 job placement offices in the state, and I have more than a few disabled family and friends who value this program, love their job and aren't complaining. It's time to stop this false story that the government and employers are exploiting the disabled. Please don't add to the misconceptions.
A little aggressive for one person’s take and experience. I think @Original Worlds (Ira Robinson) knows more about this than I ever will, and I’m a special education teacher.